Mr Srimat Kokate speaking on the topic said that the panel of member of Parliament from Maharashtra comprising of Deepa Patil, Karmveer Janardan Patil and Shyam Mahtre came to meet Delhi Government under the guidance of the leader of Kunbi society, Vijay Patil. They also met Mr Advani, Mrs Sonia Gandhi & Mr Shrad Pawar on the said topic. In the parliament session of December 20, 2001, a question was raised by Mr. Sharad Pawar regarding the census of OBC and counting them as a separate identity. In this session, the representative of all parties were present and none of them opposed the question raised regarding the statistics of OBC’s Population. It means that everyone was in favour of that.

Why this was not opposed in parliament? There is a simple reason. Parties opposing the basic question did not wanted them to be in limelight. Without being recorded their statement they wanted to oppose. Those OBC’s, who have not understood the thinking of Phule-Ambedkar, are unable to identify their enemies and this is a very serious issue for OBC’s. But, when matter was not resolved among the member of Parliaments I, as a president of one of the OBC community had taken up the issue and filed a petition in high court. MP Deepa Patil also filed one application, which was submitted to high court at Nagpur by advocate Bhagvan Patil Bhandarkar and other two from Chandrapur dist. of Maharashtra state.

At the time of hearing of the matter in Mumbai high Court, in the court of Magistrate Mr. Singh and Mrs. Ranjana Desai, the Govt Prosecutor said that The matter is regarding the reservation of OBC community”. But our Advocate Suresh Pakale cleared out that matter is not for reservation but it is only for counting of population of OBC community, so that every individual  should know how much is the strength of 52% OBC? We do not have a right to know this? There were some advocates who denied that the petition was on the ground that the application was in favour of common people. Then a case was filed with the help of our OBC lawyer's and a notice was sent to Central Government, State Government and Election Commissioner.

The Govt. advocate was asking for a date of 14 February but as the counting of population was suppose to start on 8 February,  our adv. asked for a date prior to 8 February. Finally Hon. Magistrate has given the date of 7 February after the request was made from both the side. But again on 7 February, the govt advocate said that there were a lot many figure to manipulate, so the work is uncomplete. Then again Magistrate has given a date of 14 February. But as the counting process was suppose to start on 8^th  Feb, date of 14^th was not having any importance.

Other important development was that, in Nagpur high court, in the court of J N Patel, they have given an interim order for counting of the OBC community and also said that, in the population table, the column for SC should be amended as SC/OBC. Along with this they also issued an order for counting of DNT community. But these orders were not implemented. On the other hand the petition, which, was there in Mumbai high court, was clubbed together with petition in Nagpur high court and nothing was settled, as the Magistrate was transferred to Delhi on Promotion.

Few days back there was news regarding the counting of animals, trees and birds. But it is not possible to count, how much is the strength of OBC'S? There are some parties who do not want to happen this, intentionally?  Saint Tulsi Das (Maharashtra) said that the animal and the Shudras are equal, but these days our condition is even worst than the animals. Before independence, the British government has done the counting of OBC and also there was a act for them. In 1847, there was a counting of OBC caste wise but after 1950 there is not any record of counting of population on the basis of caste. So many time a request had been made but it is an unsuccessful attempt. Every time they said that, by dong this it will give rise to a casteism, it may also lead to caste-conflicts etc.

Even after giving a full report on the above subject by Kakasaheb Kalelkar, he made a final remark stating that such counting may give rise to casteism or caste-conflicts. Until 1980, there was act for OBC, but after 1980 Government of India removed the OBC’s act. The 1982 act has been implemented for OBC’s reservation. Inspite all these developments, why counting has not been done for OBC's? is the serious question.

There was always been a conflict regarding the constitutional Act 340. Many people say that it is not required, but Dr. Ambedkar explained its importance and the act was been written in constitution. This has emphasis on basically to improve the socially, economically and educationally backward class. And after the report of of Kakasaheb Kalelkar commission and Mandal commission it is world wide clear that there is a educationally backward, socially backward, economically backward and culturally backward class in the country. They referred this as extremely backward class and now there is no doubt for this.

As per the thinking of BAMCEF, they, referred this backward class as OBC. As per Hindu Society, they referred this class, as Shudra. This Shudra is only known as OBC. For your information I will tell you, when Kakasaheb Kalelkar has made a questionnaire for recognition of OBC’s. In act these question was totally different. The were something of this kind, If somebody is having faith in Goddess or God Shiva, then they are called OBC. Also those who do not have right to study Veda etc. and this way there are sixteen criteria to decide OBC.

Mandal commission has made some criteria for OBC’s identification and they are:

-         Whether or not the women of family has to go five km away for water?

-         Whether children of these houses are literate and if so how much?

-         Whether they have to work in other’s farm?  Etc. were the criteria for this community.

There real work was to provide services but as they were Shudra they remains backward. If we analyse, why they are backward? Then only answer to this is Hindu Varna Vavstha (Brahminical Social structure) In our country we have the Constitution and it says about freedom, equality and brotherly hood. As per the Constitution there shall be equality but when it comes to OBC there we find unequality. For e.g. when it comes it says there are only so many literate people? And Kunbi also.  And there we came to know about the backwardness. In population counting column they write everything like, What kind of accommodation you are living? How many children are there in you family and what they are doing? From this we get exact data and in the same way the could have been done for OBC but they had not done it deliberately.

The countries like USA also have provision in their population chart to know origin whether African, Russian and it is a 60 to 70 column long. Thus they have all minute information. The statistical information has some definite meaning and is useful planning future infrastructure/development etc. so same thing could have been happened in our country it would have been definitely useful in improving for backward class. Some of the things may be confidential but at least people will know these data are available with Government. Inspite of all this benefits they do have not made any provision, as they do not want the people of backward class, know their exact strength and stand against the arya-brahminical supremacy.

I am working for OBC society from last four to five years. Once I went to one of my OBC friend to discuss the matter regarding the working of group. But at that time my friend was having a talk with one of his Brahmin friend Mr Deshpande. When I told him that I had come to discuss the OBC’s group working he asked me to keep mum and asked his Brahmin friend to leave. Thereafter he came to me for discussion. So from this it is clear that the OBC’s are going to a difficult phase. OBC’s feel inferiority to discuss anything with others. In process of counting they always say it is confidential and data will also be kept confidential. As per the Government procedure/process the govt officer goes to every house ask details to every individual family that which caste you belongs? So you will know you are OBC’s. In Maharashtra OBC’s are going to a difficult situation. When people come to Delhi for election tickets they says their are Maratha, give them a tickets and they will win. But when they get the ticket and return to Maharashtara, they says they are OBC/Kunbi, give them a vote. 

When OBC’s goes for marriages for their daughter/son they face more troubles. When person does not know himself he also does not know about his enemies. If OBC’s were identified as SC’s the similar plan could have been there for OBC. After 1961 all facilities to OBC were stopped. Our great persons recognise themselves first like Jotiba Phule and Babasaheb Ambedkar. Jotiba Phule understood himself first and accepted that we are Shudra. Until one can’t recognise himself, he can’t make any move. As Jotiba Phule, Babasaeb Ambedkar also has same thought and so they becomes the great persons. Babasaheb say he will represent for Dalit/Shudra. In round table conferencce of 1931/1932, he becames the representative of Dalit’s. Similarly, when OBC will recognise themselves they will never say they will built temple first rather they will say school for children first and then temple. Brahmin’s wants to finish our identity, they know, if OBC will identify themselves they will form unity. So Brahmins always had a effort to finish the identity of OBC by saying there will be a caste conflicts.

Gandhiji also says, “Babasaheb, you ask for a seat, we are ready to give it. But do not ask by saying you are representative of Dalit”.  Do not go with your identity otherwise there will be pieces of Hindu religion. And as to save Hindu religion he works for 14% of population. That’s way in round table conference Babasaheb Ambedkar proved Hindu religion is a humanitarian. This achieved only because there were Britisher’s ruler/officers.

There is also a class of OBC as per the acceptance given by Supreme Court for creamy layer. Inspite of all these things counting has not done and always said there will be caste conflicts. But I will definitely say there is Hindu-Muslim riots because in a counting chart there is a column for religion. But only truth behind thids is to hide the data of OBC. Handicap people also demanded for their counting, so govt has done this and there is a column for handicapped people in counting chart now. Small strength people like Jain/Parsi, their counting has also been done but not for OBC. In Maharashtra there are many different caste of OBC, which are still in a bad shape even worst than SC’s. By a way counting it has been open to all regarding the condition of these caste. If we had a faith in these two great persons, Phule and Babasaheb instead of worship in a different God, then there was a scope of development for us. Today also SC’s are fighting for our rights. Due to their struggle we get the benefit of mandal commission. But we are fighting for temple and the benefits of these are gong to Brahmins. If we look in the matter the Brahmins are trying to invoke the peoples from OBC and SC.

And finally, they say, if data is open to all the confilcts could have been finished and everyone came to know about the real enemy. They could have been indicated the OBC’s column. Different castes are still working as per their caste. Barber is doing the work of hair cutting and Dhobi is washing a cloth etc. if we look this way, you will find Hindu religion is inclined towards racial discrimination and the is a concept of superiority and inferiority amongst the people/caste. Every caste feels themselves as a superior and others as inferior. As per as the Muslim religion is concern, the black Muslims from Sudan and Nigeria also supported OSAMA to save him.

What happen due to this religion, there is no Vanshveda, but there is religion. But if you see there is a vanshveda in Hindu religion. If counting has done the situation of OBC could have been came to knew. OBC’s are suffering because of the social political parties and not due to ther religion. When Mandal commission came, BJP brought  “Kamandal” and Congress brought  “Bhumandlikaran”. This leads to complete downfall of our society.

The topic for discussion by BAMCEF today is actually the gist of the problems that we face now. We must browse through the socio – economic issues we are faced with. Today's topic for discussion is a big issue facing us. Can the victor and the vanquished have the same religion? Can there culture and way of living be one? Can they profess the same religion or not? When the Negroes in America as well as the Red Indians accepted Christianity then both the blacks and the whites came to profess the same religion.

But we are facing the situation not in America but we have to comprehend it in the Indian context. As far as India is concerned, the picture changes totally. We are divided into various castes by the traditional Varna System and the irony of the whole system is that those most affected by the Varna System do not even know about it. The fourth wing of the Varna system have the Shudras, they consider themselves Hindus and even Swarna consider themseleves as Hindus. for ex. We have RajBhar is UP they are Barbers. Sadhvi Rithanbhara of the VHP belongs to the same Caste, preaches hinduism which is actually brahminical in a whole hearted manner. Stupid women that she is, she does not know that te religion in which she is putting her heart and soul into is granting a the states of Shudra, but she thinks otherwise. There are many people who are shudras and inspite of knowing that they are the shudras, they consider themselves as upper caste. In India our people have been totally brain wash by Hinduism which is actually Brahminism. How does it happen? And Why does this happen? These are the few thing s, which we must try to understand for ex. Some Muslims boys' are brain washed but Islam and when they try to abide by the teachings of Orthodox Islam they are called terrorist. The thing is that they are constantly fed with one set of views. similarly in India our people have been subjected to the same treatment. How do we flush out such garbage from their gullible minds is something which needs to be analysed seriously. and we are doing the same in today's discussion.

The actual thing is that we are brought with a set of views right from the very beginning and by the time we grow up we carry these ideas subconsciously and then we start spreading the same set of ideas, again subconsciously. Babasaheb Dr. Ambedkar in his Book who Were the Shudras? And Riddles in Hinduism has dwelt at such topics at length. When Aryans come to India from outside they came to India from Prussia which was never a part of India and is not even a boundary of India. In Urdu discovery modern day Iran is called is called Aryan and Aryan came from this area only which was called Prussia in old days. When DNA research was done it was found that people belong to Caucasian race were fare complexion because of cold climate and hence the Aryans are foreigners. the most important thing is this that a features important to Aryan Identity are not found any where in India. For ex. We find ancient  Radhminas temple in France, so that proves that the temple originally didn't belong to India and existance of an old Krishna mandir in France is proof enough that Aryans were foreigners and they came to our country from outside. They started writing scriptures here in India and then propagated braminincal teachings. These is our Country when they are asked Who are their ancestors they go dump. All the books written by them have been anaylsed for example Rahul Sanskrutayan try to analyse the Aryans in Volga to Ganga, Dr. B. N. S. Yadav who is from Illahabad he has also analysed it correctly and then the same work was done by L. P. Vidyarthi of Varanasi. All this learned fellows have proved that the Aryans came to India from outside. The gazzete of India (Vol I) edited by P. N. Chopra on page 287 says that the Aryans came to India from outside. The question is and the core issue is how come the religion of victor and vanquished be still the same?

Five gods are worshiped in the Vedas for ex. Indra, Varuna, Agni where have they gone today? In Maharashtra they chant Ganpati Bappa Mauraya this brahminical religion is called hinduism by the brahmins. If this brahminical religion is thoroughly analysed then we see that like octopus inhabiting sea it changes its size according to needs so you can called this an octopus religion.

The vedas were analysed by Buddist Intelectuals and they posed the question why do you killed animal in Yagna and don't you drink Somras? Those who don't drink liquor you called them you called them AShuras or Rakshasa. Dr. Ambedkar in his book Riddles in Hinduism has analysed the Smritis. Were this smritis written by man or ordained from god. The author's of smritis say that smritis are Sanatan, Dr. Ambedkar has analysed this particular issue in great detail and said that the brahminical religion called the indegeneous people's Shudras  and then untouchables and along with this people the Adivasis where also ingrained that you cannot have decent standard of living, decent education, you can't go to temples, etc. etc. You are harijans or girijans. Even then this people regard themselves hindus, they must be questioned. How can these religion be yours? and then these people start talking about mythology. In Hindu mythology rishis munis didn't come out of their mother womb but they sprang from hair, skin, fish etc. All these nonsensical things needs to be analysed scientifically. in Ancient India there was no paper and banana leaves, bhoj patras and tree bark were used to write things for ex. all the literature in Nalanda University was written only on these things. It was set on fire and it contained so much of literature that the flames continued for 7 days continuously and thus our whole literature and so many other things were destroyed completely. That is why our people continued to believe what they were told by this people in ancient years. Even then the brahminical forces feared the Buddhist monks and Shankaracharya propagated hatred towards Buddhist monks that who so ever would killed a the Buddhist monk he will be rewarded in Gold coins. And thus the propagators of Buddist religion were genocide. And few of them fled to Tibet from where they established Tripitak and bring back to India.

The victors always tried to inflict there religion on the vanquished for ex. in Bihar if any one from our samaj tries to talk differently he is killed instantly. If someone dresses nicely his dress is torn off. If some one sports modern hair cut then his hair is cut off, that implies that whenever the indegeneous people try to assert themselves then the brahmins inflict thier age old system on him forcefully. Even today the brahmin say that in the Ramcharitra manas Ram came to this earth only to accomplish 4 – 5 task. One is to protect the brahmins. Second to protect the cow. he did not came to protect other  living beings. This way the hindu Brahmin propagates such nonsense in society and the irony of the whole situation is that the society is still believes him.

In the end Dr. Subachan Ram said, that in a religion were one strata of society is constantly is looked down upon, who is constantly subjected to torture. How can they both belong to the same religion. We have to incalculate such a point of view in our selves so that we can distinguish between this. We have find ways and means and ways and social and cultural upliftment along with our economic development. this is the only solution by which the aborigines  can get rid of this firm grip of the brahmins and here lies there true salvation.